Obama's Big Monday

Union Endorsement

One of the largest municipal jail unions in the country said Monday that it will endorse Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois for president.

"Barack Obama is the one candidate who will put an end to the divisiveness in this country so that we can finally achieve greater economic prosperity for the working class and health care coverage for all Americans," said Norman Seabrook, the president of the city's Correction Officers' Benevolent Association. The group has about 9,000 active members.

Second, an Iowa endorsement - former Iowa Democratic Party chair Gordon Fischer.

Who could make people feel positive and hopeful about our future? Who would take a meaningful stand about how money can negatively influence the political process? Who would inspire a whole range of Democrats -- young and old, party establishment and first-time caucus-goers -- to get involved? Who would help remind us of the good that we can accomplish through politics?

Clearly, the candidate with the greatest ability to achieve all these goals is Barack Obama.

And of course, the end of the fundraising quarter...

So let's go. Here's the goal: 500,000 donations to this campaign from 350,000 people by midnight on September 30th.

We only have a few days, and it's going to be difficult. But as one of the 333,235 people who have already given to this campaign, you can double your impact on both goals by donating now and matching the gift of a first-time donor.

Your renewed commitment will bring in a new supporter and grow our movement. Your donation -- in any amount you choose -- will be used to match someone else's first-time gift and will encourage a fellow supporter to take the next step.


100,000 new donors and 150,000 donations in a slumping quarter?  That is about the same numbers as the first quarter.  

However you interpret this, it's a big monday for Obama.  

Union Endorsement: http://www.barackobama.com/2007/09/24/nyc_correction_officers_union.php

Iowa Endorsement: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/Ch2F

Fundraising Quarter Note: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/Ch2c



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Re: Obama's Big Monday (2.00 / 3)

Great diary!


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:56:31 PM EST

Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

Finally he has a union endorsement. Unfortunately it is a 'rogue' union according to politico.


UPDATE: The endorsement is from the city's corrections officers, a political maverick union that was among few labor groups backing Rick Lazio against Clinton in 2000 and (to its great benefit) was the only union supporting Mike Bloomberg in 2001.

Yeah, his supporters will claim that's because he has cross-over appeal. LOL.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:04:23 PM EST

Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

You are kidding.  They endorsed Rick Lazio over Clinton?   So, Obama has 9,000 from a local outfit to how many Millions Clinton and Edwards have amassed in union support so far?  


by georgep on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:07:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

Well this is 9,000 less for Clinton and Edwards.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:21:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

yes I am sure that Clinton will be heart broken not to have the endorsement of a republican union.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:14:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

I wouldn't say that a union is a Republican union. The unions I know and the one that I belong to do not have those kinds of labels. The political arm is are not affiliated with a political party.

The AFL-CIO Committee on Political Education, commonly known as COPE, is the nonpartisan political arm of the AFL-CIO.

How many of you are dumping on this union? You people hurl so many $hit, for no other reason but to see what sticks. Why don't you start researching the issues? Or maybe you just might not like what you see.

http://www.ibew332.org/whatisCOPE.html


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:20:32 PM EST
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its a local that endorses republicans (none / 0)

Id run from this - not brag about it!

Im sure the political Dept of the AFL CIO over on 16th street has noticed this bragging blunder.

Expect no endorsement from ANY AFL CIO National.

When will Obama's campaign team stop with all these continual blunders?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:37:07 PM EST
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that doesn't jive with the union people i talked.. (none / 0)

to today.  but that's not really a surprise, is it?


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 08:45:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sure (none / 0)

I suggest you ask someone at the natl level about how they feel about this union's President.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:17:13 PM EST
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i was talking about national union leaders... (2.00 / 1)

you really just aren't that intuitive, are you?  over and over again, you are just wrong...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:27:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

like who?. (none / 0)


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:31:59 PM EST
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maybe team obama should have vetted this guy (none / 0)

Brother Bloomberg
posted: 7:23 PM, November 9, 2005 by Tom Robbins
It's good to know that corrections union chief Norman Seabrook, who personally drove ex-Senator (GOP Senator sentence to prison for accepting bribes) Guy Velella out of Rikers when he won early release from jail last year, is out of the Bloomberg dog house. Not that he was ever really in it.

At a pre-election labor rally on Monday evening, the mayor singled out Seabrook for an extra special helping of praise, assuring all his new-found union allies that Seabrook, who alone endorsed Bloomberg in his first race, would always be first in his book.

The scene was the hotel workers' hall on West 44th Street, packed with union business agents in suits, rank and filers in tee-shirts and sweats, and some three dozen labor leaders jammed together in the sweltering hall.

Bloomberg, whose own union experience consisted of avoiding the use of trade union labor in the installation of his financial data computers, addressed the crowd as "Brothers and Sisters." He then went on to single out his friend Seabrook.

"Four years ago I didn't have a lot of labor support," said the mayor to chuckles on the stage. "In fact, I had one union guy. And if I've done a good job you owe him a debt of gratitude - Norman Seabrook."

This won cheers for the corrections union leader, but did it also mean that the mayor had never complained to him about serving as Velella's personal chauffeur? Velella's early release was an embarrassing episode for Bloomy, one that he corrected by firing the panel that released the ex-senator and empanelling a new one that made him serve six more months in jail.

"I'm not about to reveal personal conversations I've had with the mayor," Seabrook said at Bloomberg's Tuesday night post-election extravaganza at the Sheraton.

Actually, Bloomberg told Newsday's Bryan Virasami and Dan Janison a couple of weeks back that the Velella escort service by his key union endorser was just fine with him. "Mr. Seabrook can drive anyone he wants," said the mayor.

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theres more - from the nytimes

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Velella Got Ride to Freedom From Guards' Union Chief
By KEVIN FLYNN and PAUL VON ZIELBAUER

Published: October 7, 2004

Most released inmates have to ride the city bus off Rikers Island, but former Senator Guy J. Velella was driven from the jail last week by the president of the correction officers' union, who took him to meet his family at a favorite Bronx restaurant.

Norman Seabrook, the president of the Correction Officers Benevolent Association, said he extended the courtesy because Mr. Velella, a Bronx Republican, had been a loyal friend to the union.

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But the ride was another instance in which the treatment of Mr. Velella appeared to be at odds with that afforded the average inmate. Ordinarily, prisoners must take a city bus or licensed van service over the bridge to the mainland, because private cars are not allowed on the island.

Last week, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg ordered an investigation into the circumstances under which Mr. Velella received one of the few early releases from prison granted each year by an obscure panel of mayoral appointees. The panel, known as the Local Conditional Release Commission, serves as a local parole board. It released Mr. Velella on Sept. 28, just three months into a yearlong sentence for conspiracy to accept bribes.

The panel reviewed 32 letters of support for Mr. Velella, including one from a representative of the Archdiocese of New York and another from former Mayor Edward I. Koch. The commission's chairman has said the panel acted out of compassion after deciding that Mr. Velella, a first-time offender, had been shattered by his fall from public office, the loss of his law license and by his time in jail.

Though about 7,000 cases were eligible for review this year by the panel, Mr. Velella and two other men convicted with him were three of only five people who have been released.

Mr. Seabrook said that Mr. Velella, 60, had called him several times from prison, complaining that he could not sleep, and the union president offered to give him a ride home to the Bronx. "That man has carried a lot of pieces of legislation in Albany for us," Mr. Seabrook said.

He said he drove in the pouring rain to the island, where only people with special passes are allowed, picked up Mr. Velella at the visitors center, where released inmates are left, and then drove him to the Pine Tavern in the Bronx. Mr. Velella's wife and son were waiting there, Mr. Seabrook said, and they chatted for 10 minutes before Mr. Seabrook left. Mr. Velella said he was looking forward to a shower in his home.

City officials had been quoted in initial news reports as saying that Mr. Velella had departed the prison by bus shortly before 3 p.m. A Correction Department spokesman, Thomas Antenen, said that most released inmates do take the bus but that the agency had not specifically monitored how Mr. Velella left.

"We dropped him at the visitor control center," he said. "We don't track his movements after that. And Mr. Seabrook, of course, has access to that as president of the union."


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:01:57 PM EST
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Re: maybe team obama should have vetted this guy (2.00 / 1)

Wouldn't your energy be better suited to roganising Starbuck's employees and recreating the One Big Union of the 21st Century.  It's time.  We NEED you.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 07:01:59 AM EST
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Re: maybe team obama should have vetted this guy (none / 0)

organising, not rogueanising, :-)


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 07:03:30 AM EST
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I dont DO Starbucks (none / 0)

4 bucks for a cup of coffee should not be encouraged!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:39:23 PM EST
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Re: I dont DO Starbucks (none / 0)

With you on that one.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 04:50:54 PM EST
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isn't it funny... (2.00 / 1)

in your "experience," primary opponents play nice with each other and unions trash talk about other unions.  which contrasts sharply with my own experience, where primary opponents are actually competitive and wage hard fought campaigns, and unions are actually respectful of each other -- even the unions where the leaders don't agree with each other!

so my question is, on what world do you live?  i reside on planet earth, in the united states of america -- how about you?


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:33:55 AM EST
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funny (none / 0)

you havent heard about the big split...

hmmmm...

and if you think that the leadership of the building and construction trades have even one nice word to say about the leadership of the carpenters....well...

I thought you understood these things...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:42:00 PM EST
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sure, everyone knows about change to win... (none / 0)

and yet, the unions that i've dealt with since then still cooperate, still have common goals (if not common tactics).  i still can't recall one union leader i've dealt with since the split attack another union.  i'd be surprised if you did, based on my own experience.

and, no, i don't get into conversations with union leaders about other union leaders.  we talk about campaigns, not union politics.  that's not my thing...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:58:03 PM EST
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Re: sure, everyone knows about change to win... (none / 0)

what is it that you imply that you do?  ive made it clear that im an insider dc pro labor democrat - and some of you yahoos just hate me for that - just what is that your selling?  tell me, I know people everywhere - are you saying your a campaign guy - an operative - anything besides a hobbyist?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:35:06 PM EST
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not a hobbyist... (none / 0)

as i've made clear before...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:50:08 PM EST
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i suggest you read what i just found about this (none / 0)

"fine" union chief.  Its just below.  Id love to lnow what natl union was vouching for hum.

See just below.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:05:28 PM EST
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claim change... (none / 0)

standard tactic for people who are full of shit.  i'd love to know who suggested that a national union was vouching for him...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:34:59 AM EST
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your buddy you said you (none / 0)

spoke to at the "national"

Im waiting for your comment on this rogue republican friend an union president.

Cant do it can you.  Truth cant dent your "crush" on your candidate can it?

i can criticisize Hills campain and I have. Watch - Penn should force E worldwide to drop those union busting clients or he should quit that firm.

Try it, honesty and consistancy is good for the soul.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 11:15:32 AM EST
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the comment: good for him... (none / 0)

sorry it doesn't fit your "unions trash talk about each other" meme.

i will probably drop dead if i see a display of honesty from you...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:07:51 PM EST
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boy (none / 0)

atack , attack, attack

but you sur cant defend very well.

and you would know lying pretty well.

because /Im sick of your useless bs, ill be frank - its obvious that you were lying when you said tou "spoke to someone" in a national union about how swell this endorsement was for Obama.

unionists dont like those that support Repubs.  Unionists HATE those who break ranks and work against them.

Its like walking a picket line.

You really dont know dick about these things do ya?

Go ahead - Im awaiting your next attack - thats all you seem to have.

You are a hopelessly bad defender of your candidate.  Actually, you just hurt him every time you appear here.  Maybe youre really just a Hillary plant, typing here to ensure support for Hillary online.  That makes some sense of the nonsense youve been spitting out.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:49:24 PM EST
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yep, i can id a phoney right away... (none / 0)

which is why i spend so much time disputing your bs.  i've talked to seiu people about afl-cio people, and just the opposite, and never was a word of hatred spoken.  i think the harshest thing i've ever heard was about the teamsters, and that was ages ago.  you seem to be stuck in the past -- in oh so many ways!!!

i don't particularly care what you think of me, as long as people are not persuaded by your idiot tactics and bad judgment...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:00:53 PM EST
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Re: yep, i can id a phoney right away... (none / 0)

boy - you are confused - when did I say that the seiu....whatever - I was talking about this jailors union only (and the prez of the Carpenters)...but what you think theyre gonna tell you stuff?

Lord dude - you are so deluded.

btw, the juice paying for the electric thats running this computer was paid for by the seiu, but you get no more hints.

And dont trouble with my judgment, I didnt get onboard with a campaign thats getting crushed in 33 of 35 states.  Im doing fine...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:31:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

1. Policing union - Are you going to tell me people don't generally see Republicans as "Safer"?  People do.  It's BS but it's true.  

2. Are you saying Clinton or Edwards wouldn't want this union's support?  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:22:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (2.00 / 3)

OPf course Hillary and Edwards would love to have this Union's support...this is just sour grapes moment from them.

The reason why this one was big is because it's in Hillary's backyard.


by JaeHood on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 03:20:07 PM EST
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they have a history endorsing Repugs (none / 0)

get it?

This will hurt him with the natl AFL.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:40:53 PM EST
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Re: they have a history endorsing Repugs (none / 0)

Unions are democratic organizations. They follow the lead of their membership. I doubt very seriously that this will have any impact on what the AFL does. Well, that is, unless, their members are a bunch of sour grapes Hillary supporters.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:08:53 PM EST
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not this one - thats the point (none / 0)

I suggest you read this piece about this unions president's bad acts.

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/runnin scared/archives/2005/11/


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:51:08 PM EST
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That is exactly what Im saying (none / 0)

why piss off the national AFL - for what - another $2300?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:38:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (2.00 / 2)

WOW,

The trolls are really upset over this one.

LOL


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:58:07 PM EST

bragging about an endorsement (1.00 / 2)

from a "jailors" union that endorses Republicans - aint much to brag about -


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:44:35 PM EST
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Obama Wins Yahoo! Debate (2.00 / 1)

The good news keeps coming.

And The Winner Is...

By a 4% margin they picked Illinois Senator Barack Obama, who edged out New York Senator Hillary Clinton with 35% of the vote to her 31%.


by JoeCoaster on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:36:34 PM EST

Re: Obama Wins Yahoo! Debate (1.00 / 2)

this is actually pretty bad news for Obama. He's supposed to coast among young voters. This internet poll mirros other polls conducted among GenX. Obama is only having a very slim lead over Clinton, which does not bode well for his Iowa strategy.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:05:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama Wins Yahoo! Debate (none / 0)

Unless if Clinton's youth don't go out and vote for her.  Obama is striding on organization and a massive volunteer base.  Obama will get his youth to vote.  Will Hillary?  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:12:19 PM EST
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Re: Obama Wins Yahoo! Debate (none / 0)

Look at her?  Would you?


by shirley temple on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:31:42 PM EST
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they have no choice (1.00 / 1)

no old pol pro (like me) would ever bet the farm on college kids though.

Everybody says they will do it differently, but its always the same.

I did youth voting in 92 and 96 and we had rock the vote and m frigging tv as our pals -

still the lil bastards didnt come out.

They never have, never will.

(In numbers to change the dynamic that is)


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:47:52 PM EST
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Wow, (none / 0)

many said that for jena, louisiana and more than 30K "young folk" showed up of all races to protest.  it was the young people that pushed the civil rights movement.  whenever there is major change that need to be done, the young folk step up.  you may be right, but you could be drastically wrong about the young showing up for barack obama.  he is the candidate that they identify with.  and if they show up, clinton will have some problems.


by iamready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 05:44:35 PM EST
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given the quality of your comments... (2.00 / 1)

have you ever considered that you were just bad at it?  isn't it amazing that republicans have people like morton blackwell, lee atwater and karl rove come out of youth politics, and we have this joker...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 08:46:14 PM EST
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again, Ive worked on the two winning dem (none / 0)

presidential campaigns in modern times.

What the heck have you done?

Oh yeah, insult people on the internet.

Congrats on your huge success!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:53:41 PM EST
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yeah, i've done three... (none / 0)

so what?  you clearly don't understand campaign history, strategy or tactics.  your nixonian approach may have worked in prior periods of time, but is useless in a more polarized, more political and more cynical political environment.  your inability to understand that campaigns can't advance from behind without dramatically altering the dynamics would be dangerous -- if you supported someone who wasn't the front-runner.  not that i think you've ever been part of the decision-making at a national level...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:09:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh lil boy dont believe me. (none / 0)

aw...you keep hurting my feelings awwww

wheres your response to me charging that you LIED  about speaking to someone at a unions natl hq?

i caught you a LIE  angry boy - a LIE -

and your response -

oh, i dont believe you ever even worked in a campaign...

Pathetic.

And still no comment on that jailors union Prez giving a ride to a convicted  bribe taking republican (think rezko come March) - wheres that?

Boy - you really do suck at this ya know...

Youve continued with the ineffectual insults - now - Cue the curse words!  I think your about to Blow!!!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:25:38 PM EST
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awwww... (none / 0)

you keep running around in circles, chasing your tail.  i said what i said -- i heard about this endorsement from a leader in a national union!  and they didn't trash it, like you said they would!  you were wrong...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:52:34 PM EST
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and you still havent said which (none / 0)

union or responded to the article about this unions president

you tell me what ynion and ill call and see what they say

i know people in most of them, both ctw and the afl...im somewhat of a conduit, post divorce, i do try to keep them nice with each other.

were all together on hating repubs and traitors that endorse repubs.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:06:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (2.00 / 1)

Great diary,good for Obama.


by redtime12 on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 03:55:44 PM EST

and his repub friends in the jailors union (1.00 / 2)


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:48:18 PM EST
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Re: and his repub friends in the jailors union (2.00 / 1)

You keep saying that, but you'd be happy if Clinton got this endorsement.  You can quit commenting.  Just suck it up and read something else.  I know you're upset, but you don't have to express it and reply to every post possible.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:51:13 PM EST
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Re: and his repub friends in the jailors union (1.00 / 2)

I work with unions.  When I read this at politico, it again pissed me off about Obama's campaign.

Bragging about a union that endorsed a repub mayor?  Screw that.

i dont blame Obama - but I think his staff is soo ....grasping.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:54:52 PM EST
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you seem to have a grudge.. (2.00 / 1)

..against "jailers". Is there something you want to tell us? We won't hold it against you.

Why is flipping a "republican" union to our side a bad thing? I don't see a down side.


by JoeCoaster on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 05:34:55 PM EST
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Re: and his repub friends in the jailors union (none / 0)

I'm noting the endorsement.  Who's bragging?  It was a nice day for Obama, and I threw up the highlights on here.  

Quit being so angry, if you got this endorsement you would be happy.  You getting angry over it, and trying to argue whether the support of 9,000 people is good or bad, is ridiculous.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 07:42:05 PM EST
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kinda true (none / 0)

but im a yellow dog son of a bitch - and I dont respect those that support republicans - ever


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 08:10:50 PM EST
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Re: kinda true (2.00 / 1)

Hillary doesn't have a party unity score of 100%.  No Democrat does.  So apparently you don't support any of our US Senators.  Pick your words carefully.  They've all supported different Republican bills because they thought it would be good for their constituents.  The line you drew is irresponsible and hypocritical.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:57:30 PM EST
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Speaking of polls ... (2.00 / 1)

Obama has picked up the points (4%) that Hillary lost during a 14 day slide (43% --> 39%) in the Rasmussens National Tracking Poll

Not that national polls mean anything ;-)


by JoeCoaster on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 05:15:52 PM EST

Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

Lots of talk about why this is good or bad for Obama.  But does anyone know WHY they endorsed him, apart from the canned language of the quote above?  In other words, what is Obama going to do for them that other candidates might not?


by justinh on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 05:31:32 PM EST

Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

They endorsed him because he is running against Hillary Clinton. Same reason they endorsed Rick Lazio.


by hwc on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 06:25:30 PM EST
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Obama is showing some pluck (none / 0)

Good for him.

I hope he sticks it out at least to Feb. 5.

I really do.  He deserves credit for just throwing his hat in the ring.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 08:44:50 PM EST

Ive got zero problems with Barack (none / 0)

its just the words and attacks and tone of his campaign (Gibbs)and some of his online supporters that are upsetting.  

All of them are doing a great disservice to Obama and his future.

I really wanted him to be Hillary's VP choice, but we all know thats impossible now.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:14:45 PM EST
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Re: Ive got zero problems with Barack (none / 0)

why should you care about posters who you don't know?  and the same thing you are 'complaining' about can be associated with your candidate, Clinton.  of course, people will get heated.  the reality is that none of these people represent the campaign, at least, we hope not.  so, knowing that, a few bad apples are always in the bunch.  let it go, not worth it.


by iamready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:24:20 PM EST
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No Clintonite calls Barack "corrupt" (1.00 / 1)

which is said over and over and over by Obama fans.  Thats the difference and the problem you see.

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I never got your response to my comment to you about being banned at Kos for being falsely accused of being "areyouready"

And somehow, that whole thread has been disappeared from wher I posted it at areyouready's diary called  - "Iowa, Iowa, Iowa".

Isnt that odd?

I will reprint it here and see if Truth and Fair Play really matter around here with you long time net rooters

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previously posted to IRREADY

Of course, I can just get another name and post to my hearts content, but its just the idea of censorship that burns me up.

Are you ok with that?

It amazes me that some people who claim to be "progressives" are in actuality little tin horned tyrants, desperate to stop and silence dissent.

(I was talking about Yoshimi and his buds who banned me this evening, not you)

tell me the difference between them and the Bushie goons who so effectively silenced argument for 2 years after 9/11?

What a bunch of phony poseurs.

Lets see IRREADY, are you a supporter of phony poseurs, or do you really believe in a fresh and free debate and dialog.

Im curious, well..R U IR?

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If so, I know you go back and forth between these sites - why dont you go tell Yoshimi that he has falsely accused me of being Areyouready and for them to remove their false ratings that caused me to be "banned"

Or is dissent forbidden on these sites, just like at any Bush/Cheney rally?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:48:04 PM EST
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i've never seen a barack supporter call hillary... (2.00 / 1)

corrupt, but what i really think is that you are demonstrating your severe lack of good judgment again and confusing supporters of other candidates with supporters of the candidate you so clearly despise.  not that this would be unexpected from you...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:44:24 AM EST
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Re: No Clintonite calls Barack "corrupt" (none / 0)

trollrated for ranting bullshit.


by iamready on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:30:39 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

I just wanna be clear here,when someone backs hillary it's good,when someone backs Obama it's bad.


by redtime12 on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:16:01 AM EST

Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

You know actually Obama has kind of a troubled past with law enforcement organizations, since he wrote up a bill (and got it passed) in Illinois to require the mandantory taping of murder suspect interrogations as part of a death penalty reform package.  It's interesting that they would go with anyway.

And for those Clinton supporters who are disparaging this as an endorsement by a "republican union" because they endorse republicans: Maybe you should stop lauding the International Association of Machinists(IAMAW) endorsement , when they after all issued a joint endorsement of Huckabee and Clinton last month.


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:32:33 AM EST

a black man who has a troubled past with law... (2.00 / 1)

enforcement.  whodda thunk it???


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:45:22 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

I think it's great he got the endorsement. I knew he would have big numbers again in the fundraising contest. I think this just proves that Hillary is the "underdog" in this race. No- just kidding- but I am glad for him. But in the chance he doesn't get the nomination, I hope he would use this amazing talent of getting peole to contribute- (it really is mind-boggling, he'll end up in the history books for awhile on this alone)- to whoever wins the nomination.
by reasonwarrior on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:16:50 PM EST

barack will fund-raise, but probably not for the.. (none / 0)

nominee.  hillary won't go for that.  but his validation of democratic challengers for the house and senate will be good as gold.  and that's where his help will really be needed...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:02:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Big Monday (none / 0)

I know everyone is so obsessed with support for their own candidate for the nomination that they feel obligated to trash anything good that happens for the another candidate, but I think the whole thing is counterproductive...

Yes, the union supporting Obama has supported Republicans in the past -- maybe we should be glad that they've seen the light and come back to supporting a Democrat

I didn't hear the same kind of bashing when the Carpenters issued their endorsement of Edwards (even though the Carpenters enabled Bush for most of his presidency... their president was constantly seen with Bush, taking him to labor themed events and welcoming him to their convention) --

Does anyone seriously think that Presidential candidates should decline endorsements by unions and other organizations that have supported Republicans in the past? That would rule out countless unions and constituency organizations (NARAL, Human Rights Campaign, AFL-CIO, Teamsters, NEA, Firefighters, etc) that have selectively endorsed Republicans in the past.

If we're going to rebuild a Democratic majority, we need to bring all of those organizations and constituencies back from their past flirtations with Republicans, not treat them as pariahs who will cannot speak with because of past errors of partisan judgement.

I've become incredibly tired of the unbelievably negative tone of candidate supporters on this and other websites -- people seem to forget that the enemy isn't other Democrats, but actually the Republicans who have screwed us all over.

I'm proud to be an Obama supporter, but I am committed to enthusiastically supporting whoever the nominee is -- and during the primaries, I will focus only on the reasons I believe my candidate is best, not engaging in trashing of the other candidates. (I actually say positive things about Clinton, Edwards, Richardson and the others).

While folks in the blogosphere may want to spend all their time and energy attacking other Democratic candidates, I can tell you that the grassroots Democratic activists in my community feel quite blessed that we have a field of the talented, qualified, diverse candidates that we have -- a far cry from the sorry excuse for candidates the Republicans are stuck with. I know we'll be able to come together around the eventual nominee, whoever he or she may be, and that this kind of intramural noise is nothing more than a sideshow to the real challenge of taking back the white house and increasing our Congressional majorities.


Once social change begins,it cannot be reversed. You cannot uneducate the person who has learned to read. You cannot oppress people who are not afraid anymore.
by terje on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:11:41 PM EST


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